The UAP Question Changes

Investigative journalist Michael Shellenberger, who has testified before Congress on the Immaculate Constellation in 2024, recently sat down with Tucker Carlson to discuss what he describes as a massive cover-up regarding unidentified aerial phenomena. According to Shellenberger, the United States military possesses thousands of high-quality videos, photos, sensor data, and radar data of objects that demonstrate flight characteristics violating known physics. More controversially, he suggests these phenomena may not be extraterrestrial at all, but rather something with a spiritual dimension that powerful institutions are desperately trying to conceal.

For decades, public discussion of UFOs has centered on the extraterrestrial hypothesis — the idea that craft come from distant planets piloted by advanced civilizations. However, Shellenberger points to the work of Dr. Jacques Vallée, a researcher with over 50 years of documented UAP encounters, whose conclusions challenge materialist assumptions. According to Vallée’s research, as documented in his book Passport to Magonia, UAP encounters share striking parallels with historical accounts of entities described in religious and folklore traditions — beings once called angels, demons, or fairies, depending on the culture. Shellenberger describes Vallée as moving in a similar direction to Carlson’s own research, suggesting these phenomena may involve dimensions of reality that Western science refuses to acknowledge.

To illustrate why witness credibility matters in this discussion, Shellenberger references the Jessie Roestenberg case from October 21st, 1954, in Staffordshire, England. In a BBC interview, Roestenberg described seeing a large disc-shaped craft hovering over her home while her two sons witnessed the event. She described two beings inside with long blonde hair and enlarged foreheads who appeared to be observing her. Shellenberger, who has interviewed individuals experiencing methamphetamine-induced psychosis, notes that their descriptions are fragmented and incoherent — like someone trying to explain a dream. Rosenberg’s testimony, by contrast, was precise, grounded, and unwavering decades after the event. He argues that dismissing such accounts as delusion ignores the clear distinction between authentic testimony and actual psychotic episodes.

Panelists swearing under oath at hearing November 13, 2024

The phenomena follow a documented pattern: they appear where nuclear technology is present. During his years working on nuclear energy policy, Shellenberger encountered consistent reports of unidentified objects around nuclear facilities, though workers were reluctant to discuss sightings publicly due to safety perception concerns. He specifically references the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant in California, noting these objects have been documented at nuclear weapons facilities, test sites, and military bases where nuclear materials are stored or transported. According to the National Aviation Reporting Center of Anomalous Phenomena, over 3,500 pilot UAP sightings have been documented since 2001, many near sensitive military installations. This raises a question: if these are spiritual entities, why are they focused on humanity’s most destructive technology?

The government’s response has been consistent for over 70 years: denial, ridicule, and suppression. Shellenberger points to the CIA’s Robertson Panel from the 1950s, which recommended that the government actively debunk UAP reports and discredit investigators. That policy, he argues, remains in effect today through organizations like AARO, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which he describes as functioning more as a deception operation than a genuine investigative body. Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna has similarly called AARO “a joke.”

Recent events reinforce these concerns. In late 2024, mysterious drone swarms appeared over New Jersey for weeks before officials went largely silent. According to Shellenberger’s investigation, these swarms had been appearing around U.S. military bases for an extended period, with particular concentration around locations where nuclear weapons or materials were present. When White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby claimed authorities had evaluated approximately 3,000 drone sighting cases in 48 hours, Shellenberger called this logistically impossible — a number designed to reassure rather than reflect reality. He notes that researchers discovered drone swarms around two to three dozen military bases, with evidence they were circling moments when nuclear weapons were in the area. Similar drone swarms subsequently appeared over Denmark and surrounding countries, suggesting an international pattern.

President Trump has made statements suggesting he would release UAP information, and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard has indicated she wants transparency. However, according to Shellenberger, the intelligence apparatus is resisting at every level. In response to Shellenberger’s assertion that officials seem to want to “Jeffrey Epstein the UAP files,” Carlson noted that the intensity of the government’s response suggests something beyond concerns about foreign technology or misidentified aircraft — potentially pointing to a spiritual component that challenges our materialistic framework.

If these are spiritual entities — what ancient texts describe as demons or fallen angels manifesting in forms humans can perceive — the implications extend beyond technology or national security. This becomes a question about the nature of spiritual realms, humanity’s place in a larger cosmic conflict, and why those in power are determined to keep this knowledge hidden. Shellenberger is calling for full disclosure: the release of thousands of videos and sensor data, removal of redactions from classified documents, and accountability for decades of deception. The deeper question remains whether we are ready to confront what that information might reveal about reality, non-human intelligence, and spiritual dimensions we have been taught to dismiss.

Sources

Tucker Carlson. (2025, September 25). Tucker Carlson LIVE: The End of Free Speech w/ Michael Shellenberger [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fDTlTN14Jc

Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. (2019, November 12). Jessie Roestenberg, 1954, in Staffordshire, UK [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k7apthstus